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Mower identity

Can anybody ID this mower. 

 

 

 

 

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It looks like a JP, not sure

It looks like a JP, not sure of the exact model type though, maybe a Super?

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Morning 

Morning 

yes it looks like a JP. The carb is missing so would anybody know which carb is likely to be original fitted. 

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It's the same one that's

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That didn’t take long!!

That didn’t take long!! Thanks. Now a bigger test, which carb did it have on originally??? 

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This is a 16" JP Super Power

This is a 16" JP Super Power mower. They were made between 1928 and 1940 and this is one of the earlier mowers without a clutch on the cutter. The early carbs were Binks and later were Amals. If you can look where the front engine cross bar goes into the side frame (on the left as seen from the front) there should be the serial number stamped, which will enable me to date it.

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Looks like June 1930, 6th

From the photo's looks like June 1930, 6th mower made that month, I think.

If still missing fuel cap I may have one, & a tank.

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Are you kidding. How on earth

Are you kidding. How on earth can you tell that from that photo. I found these though attached 

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Amazing, to me anyway! Please

Amazing, to me anyway! Please see attached 

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And this

And this

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Its not Magic, the serial

Its not Magic, the serial number is 22DF6, if you check out the previous links to JP information that have been highlighted in your threads you will find the answers.

 

We only wish all mowers had the JP dating system

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Now I get it, didn’t realise

Now I get it, didn’t realise the serial number was on the listing. So from the date do you think it had a Binks carb. If so any ideas on where to look, first search brought up nothing 

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Hi Clive

Hi Clive

im intrigued, please explain how to read the serial number to get the date. If it’s early enough to have had a Binks carb then it’s not looking good to replace. Is there anybody you know that might help. An Amal seems easier to find. Cheers

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It's recently been put on the

It's recently been put on the link below by Henry Ellis our JP expert, should be quite easy to follow.

As to the carb, often they are by some more valued than the mower, especially by the motor cycle fraternity & therefore carbs such as Binks & often Senspray are often stripped off & mowers scrapped.

Suggest you speak to Henry who commented above to see if he has dates as to when they changed from Binks to Amal.

 

.. https://www.oldlawnmowerclub.co.uk/mowers/dating/JP

 

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Very helpful thanks again,

Very helpful thanks again, using the codes it appears they made very few motor mowers in 1930 mine is the 6th 16 inch  made up to June. What little research I’ve done so far it would appear Binks carbs fetch crazy money. I’ll ask Henry what alternative carb I can use, although would prefer it to be original. 

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From my records, Mike, your

From my records, Mike, your mower seems to be just on the change to an Amal carb. 22 DE 9 has an Amal and all previous ones had the Binks carb.  Have a word with Brian Radam at the Southport Museum who has mower 22 DF 13, and Miles Raven who has mower 22 DG 28 - both are Club members and should be able to tell you which carb they have fitted as I have not recorded that fact (and let me know the answers please !). If you intend to do a full restoration let me know as I have done 2 of these machines - I can give advice if required, they are not easy.

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 Brilliant Henry 

 Brilliant Henry 

Ill get back about card. I will certainly ask for tips when I start resto. Won’t be for a while, I’ve gone mad during lockdown and bought 8 mowers and a greens roller. I’m just finishing an early Atco 28 and my next will be my Standard. 

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Mike, Your mower is the 6th

Mike, Your mower is the 6th made in June 1930, not up to June, so more made than you thought !.

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Morning Henry 

Morning Henry 

im picking up the JP and to get it in the boot I need to remove the handle tubes. Is this an easy job on site ? How are they secured? Cheers

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Mike, You will never get the

Mike, You will never get the steel handlebars out of the cast aluminium side frames easily as they are in effect "welded" together (it needs a lot of heat), plus the silencer needs to be taken off as well as the tank. Hopefully, if its an ordinary car with a back seat that folds, the mower will lie horizontally with the front end chocked up - that's how I did mine. 

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Hi

Hi

i emailed Brian at museum but no response, is there anybody else that knows when JP changed from Binks to Amal in the 30s cheers